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Post by psychostorm on Jan 10, 2010 22:28:58 GMT -5
Hillsbrad Security is also boycotting them as well. We refuse to take part in there childish behavior. I have found from talking to him that He follows the teachings of Hitler and the KKK in his guild. He goes about recruiting mostly children around the age of 14 so he can mold there minds toward his white supremasist teachings. Horrigan is 32 years old. If you haven't seen his website I suggest you take a long look at all the on pages on it. www.enclaveoilrig.com/news.phpOn the past 4 servers he was on, he destroyed them. I have no intentions what so ever in feeding this douche bags war machine. - PsychoStorm
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Post by stonemug on Jan 11, 2010 23:34:52 GMT -5
Greetings all.
As of this afternoon, the Guardian Council of the Keepers of Stromgarde voted to adopt the following policy in Re: Enclave...
1) Keepers will have no official dealings with The Enclave or its members. No joint raids, no joint World PvP, nothing. They are persona-non-grata.
2) Keepers support KoD for their similar /ignore policy.
3) In regards to Enclave interactions with Horde - Keepers will not come to joint defense with the Enclave. Nor will be assist their members if attacked. We will render them no aid at all.
4) If we are engaged in World PvP with the Horde, and Enclave members arrive, we will do the following: Remove the KoS forces to a safe distance, contact the enemy to determine their policy (if not known in advance), and we will abide by it. If the Horde wants to crush Enclave, we will allow it without rendering assistance. If the Horde wishes to leave the field, we will allow it. No credit of any kind will be granted to Enclave in regards to battle results of such fights.
Simply put, no member of KoS will have anything to do with any member of Enclave. The Guardians expect this policy to be abided by all members of the guild.
I'd also like to take a moment to clear up an apparent misconception by some members of the Horde; the Alliance guilds are choosing to boycott <Enclave> based on their Neo-nazi leader and his documented history. It has zero to do with his 'PvP' behavior.
Even closer to home, Enclave have directly harassed, both racially and sexually, current and former members of KoS. Screenshots of their behavior towards our members in Dalaran have been sent to Blizzard as proof of a violation of the EULA.
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Post by stonemug on Jan 12, 2010 14:35:48 GMT -5
You're welcome Xendrix - Linfae of KoD was the first one out of the gate on this subject, and we at KoS are proud to support them.
Has there been any major consensus on the Dread Horde side? I for one would like some idea how the various guilds will react if Enclave comes sniffing around for World PvP. Whether you decide to tap-dance on their corpses or leave the field, it's good to know in advance so Keeper's leadership can react accordingly. We will not assist Enclave in either case, but if we need to get out of your way, I'd prefer to give my field commanders pre-standing orders.
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Post by stonemug on Jan 13, 2010 19:00:05 GMT -5
Well, the individuals who were directly affected finally got their GM tickets' answered with the usual 'We'll look into it' response. Now doubt, it'll be several more days before we find out if they are actually doing anything about it.
In the meantime, KoS and a variety of others are 'supplementing' our boycott by keeping an eye out for EULA violations, such as Enclave's recent 'takeover' of the /Alliance channel. Each chat log or screenshot adds to the pile.
The fact is, between the Alliance and Horde guilds who make up the the RP-PvP base on this server, we have a sizable voice. I agree with Psycho that what's really needed is a full community response - preferably directed right at Blizzard. Like any business, they are going to respond based on the volume of complaints. Anything that hits at their bottom line is what really gets their attention, and we may need to leverage that.
What's most disheartening is that this guy has a history in WoW that goes back to atleast 2005. If Blizzard hasn't gone after him yet, it's hard to see why they would now, unless we organize to do something drastic.
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Post by stonemug on Jan 13, 2010 19:08:10 GMT -5
As to the split Horde response, I'm neither surprised nor disheartened by it. I figured about half of your all would go after him, and the other half would refuse to fight. Overall, it's not bad to have a two pronged approach.
All I can suggest is that those who organize against them really step up your game - roll them with as big a number as you can when you chose to hit. Every time you fight them and win, you smack Horrigan down a notch. But every time you lose, you give him more fuel. So every battle has to be a landslide against them to be effective.
For those choosing to boycott, I know it sucks, and it takes a _lot_ of patience both to forgo WPvP that you enjoy and have to deal with the chorus of insults. But you are denying them play and preventing them from having more propoganda. This BS that they are 'better' because people refuse to fight them is a load of tosh....I could strut around all day claiming to be the best fighter anywhere but if I never actually _prove it_, it's nothing but talk. Without the screenshots and videos of bodies to prove their 'prowess', people will tire of hearing this crap real fast.
--Addendum-- If you _are_ fighting Enclave, I strongly suggest getting screenshots and video. It gives you a way to verify your victories and challenge Enclave when they lie, as well as 'opportunities' for some propoganda of your own. Filming one of Horrigan's DI logoffs, tastefully expunged of his usual ranting and emotes, and set to the toon of 'the Tale of Sir Robyn' would no doubt make a splash on Youtube ;D
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Post by stonemug on Jan 13, 2010 20:29:56 GMT -5
They may have just taken this to the next level. A number of people are reporting unusual internet activities on their personal websites. Looks like Enclave is doing some 'digging' to try to get people's RL information - phone numbers, addresses, and the like. Might want to make sure your information is secure here.
Of course, that crosses into federal offense territory.
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Post by xedrix on Jan 13, 2010 20:58:46 GMT -5
This picture in particular I believe could get this guild banned. Attachments:
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Post by stonemug on Jan 13, 2010 22:19:43 GMT -5
I have seen proof of it; I left my message on this board deliberately vague because it's not really my business announcing who was targeted. If they wish to come forward they can on their own. All the same, KoS is taking steps to protect our website from intrusion, and I suggest anyone with an ounce of paranoia to do the same
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Post by psychostorm on Jan 14, 2010 22:34:36 GMT -5
I for one have never been on the enclaves website other than to read it from time to time. I emailed the server there website is on about there website. Apparently they own the server. This is probably why they feel so safe.
They also did a whois search on me and now have my RL name, address and phone number.
Need less to say, we went shopping today for firearms. Regardless of how many video games he plays, He comes to this house hes gonna meet a former member of the CIA and a former Air Force PJ heavily armed.
If you see the thread on the forums about a westcoaster S-71. That is them referencing a search they did on google about an antique golf cart i used to own. They posted it on the VeCo forums as a intimidation tactic saying , hey Psycho, we are stalking you.
I have also been having emails back and forth with Blizzards Public relations dept and a Senior game manager and have provided all there violations to them. I guess we will wait and see.
- Psycho
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Post by xedrix on Jan 14, 2010 23:26:20 GMT -5
I am considering quitting the game until these guys are gone...I seriously can't stomach all this.
I'm only 16. A. If they get my personal info, i'm boned, and I am scared to see what crazy shit they would put on the forums.
B. These videos they have of hitler speaking as they kill the dreadhorde with background music saying "GET THAT COON" just...it makes me feel sick.
Just...yeah..
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Post by stonemug on Jan 16, 2010 1:46:39 GMT -5
Stick around for a bit yet Xendrix; there's still one thing you can do for me.
Tonight, they griefed the Golden Apple tavern - KoS' primary RP night event. As Psycho can attest to, disrupting Tavern Night is an unforgivable offense as far as the Keepers are concerned.
We've gotten a couple more 'we'll look into it' responses from Blizzard but nothing else. As of tonight, I'll be sending a simple letter to Blizzard's support stating my intention to initiate a community boycott until Blizzard takes action. If it takes publicizing the disruption to the point that it threatens Blizzard financially,then so be it.
In the next couple of days, I'll be attempting to communicate with the various Alliance guilds who have already boycotted Enclave, and see if they want to sign a joint petition to Blizzard. If we get significant support, I'll send it to Blizzard and they can choose - they can lose the monthly subscriptions of the actual players here, or they can get up off their asses and do something.
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Post by xedrix on Jan 17, 2010 17:44:15 GMT -5
PS: Name is Xedrix*
And alright, I'll try to talk to some other horde leaders, though I may need you on a horde alt to help with the act of swaying their opinion. I don't believe I can convince Gorf or Malgrot into any action other than fite without some backup.
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Post by nyimsava on Jan 17, 2010 19:36:04 GMT -5
We need to a meeting with all gms very soon. To discuss the proper course of action and share ideas. I would like to meet in game...all join a party and get in an inn or something. ASAP
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Post by stonemug on Jan 21, 2010 22:35:19 GMT -5
Heard a new tactic; not 100% sure it's Enclave, but it sure smells like them. We received a report of a troll alt in the Dreadhorde channel claiming to be KoS member Luthais, who was trying to get info from the channel and 'starting a rumor'.
I spoke with Luthais - he had already been alerted by Aeldon to this issue. He assures both of us that the alt is not his.
So, now we've got what looks like some individuals making alts claiming to be members of our guild literally trolling the Dreadhorde channel.
I strongly suggest anyone who sees a message from someone claiming to be a Keeper, using an alt we have not already informed you of, should view any such message with deep suspicion. Capture a screenshot if you can. If we have the specific name of the alt, we can have Luthais put in a GM ticket to trace the player and prove they are impersonating a different individual, which is also against the EULA.
BTW....are these forums hidden from them?
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Post by rain on Jan 22, 2010 14:59:30 GMT -5
I don't believe this category requires a membership to view. Might ought to get that changed ASAP.
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